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Post by olivetti on Mar 28, 2022 22:09:13 GMT
Talk about unprofessional...
Damn. If you're that concerned, at least wait until the afterparty. Everyone expects shennanigans at the afterparty. Now your career is over, and no one will believe that goofy "aw shucks" act. Worse, some of us are really going to be hurt with all this. "See, like I said, they can't act right."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 22:54:57 GMT
It was really weird. I felt bad for Chris Rock. He handled it well and apparently isn't pressing charges. It's crazy Will Smith just went back to his seat and then accepted his award after like NBD.
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Post by monad on Mar 29, 2022 0:10:50 GMT
The whole thing is complicated, in my opinion.
I understand that roasting celebrities is par for the course at these sort of ceremonies, but Rock's joke was perhaps over the line, considering the context behind it.
We can debate about why and exactly when Will Smith decided to act, but I think it's safe to say that he reacted emotionally and without more than a few seconds of premeditation. In this moment, he decided to assault Chris Rock, an act that in American culture is not unusual or even that discouraged. Men are often taught that physical altercations with other men are normal. It's hard for me to separate how culturally ingrained this is in my brain with the obvious fact that physical violence is wrong.
Rock took the whole thing in stride after that instead of escalating further, which was ultimately respectable.
More than ever, the world is a funny place. People are looking for fights, people are sensitive, and people make a hell of a lot of mistakes. This does not mean there should not be consequences for these mistakes, but I think what happened is a snapshot of where we are as a society and maybe some foreshadowing as to where we should all strive to get to as far as mental health.
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Post by stu on Mar 29, 2022 1:04:58 GMT
The whole thing is complicated, in my opinion. I understand that roasting celebrities is par for the course at these sort of ceremonies, but Rock's joke was perhaps over the line, considering the context behind it. We can debate about why and exactly when Will Smith decided to act, but I think it's safe to say that he reacted emotionally and without more than a few seconds of premeditation. In this moment, he decided to assault Chris Rock, an act that in American culture is not unusual or even that discouraged. Men are often taught that physical altercations with other men are normal. It's hard for me to separate how culturally ingrained this is in my brain with the obvious fact that physical violence is wrong. Rock took the whole thing in stride after that instead of escalating further, which was ultimately respectable. More than ever, the world is a funny place. People are looking for fights, people are sensitive, and people make a hell of a lot of mistakes. This does not mean there should not be consequences for these mistakes, but I think what happened is a snapshot of where we are as a society and maybe some foreshadowing as to where we should all strive to get to as far as mental health. sorry, Rock was completely within his lane by making fun of a well known, well compensated hollywood star. Smith smacked that man in the face like Rock was just a piece of dirt. WTF? Every comedian in the country should be making will smith jokes from now until this day next year |
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Post by olivetti on Mar 29, 2022 1:24:17 GMT
I'm more with stu on this one, monad . Not that I can't see your opinion - I can - but either way staying silent is akin to condoning what he did. It was almost the heat of the moment. I think when Smith saw how upset his wife was he saw red, and perpetrated the act. But by going on as normal? No. That's the wrong message. Rock is a comedian, comedians get heckled, they get angry folks. It's expected for comedians to go too far sometimes, and that's why people have PR departments to call out their bullshit. But this was a ceremony where some of that is expected. Was the joke over the line? Probably. Was his reaction over the line? Most definitely. Chris Rock lobbed a pillow at Jada. Will Smith lobbed a bazooka. Regardless, I suspect Smith and Rock have had some kind of altercation before, and the joke put Smith over the top. Still. Not the right time or place, Will. |
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Post by monad on Mar 29, 2022 3:38:21 GMT
The whole thing is complicated, in my opinion. I understand that roasting celebrities is par for the course at these sort of ceremonies, but Rock's joke was perhaps over the line, considering the context behind it. We can debate about why and exactly when Will Smith decided to act, but I think it's safe to say that he reacted emotionally and without more than a few seconds of premeditation. In this moment, he decided to assault Chris Rock, an act that in American culture is not unusual or even that discouraged. Men are often taught that physical altercations with other men are normal. It's hard for me to separate how culturally ingrained this is in my brain with the obvious fact that physical violence is wrong. Rock took the whole thing in stride after that instead of escalating further, which was ultimately respectable. More than ever, the world is a funny place. People are looking for fights, people are sensitive, and people make a hell of a lot of mistakes. This does not mean there should not be consequences for these mistakes, but I think what happened is a snapshot of where we are as a society and maybe some foreshadowing as to where we should all strive to get to as far as mental health. sorry, Rock was completely within his lane by making fun of a well known, well compensated hollywood star. Smith smacked that man in the face like Rock was just a piece of dirt. WTF? Every comedian in the country should be making will smith jokes from now until this day next year I think that it's difficult to make objective judgments about something so inherently subjective, i.e. a person's emotions. Was Chris Rock's joke "appropriate?" I'm not sure Will Smith's compensation enters into it, as I don't believe one's social status has a dramatic effect on their ability to be offended or not. It was really Smith's call to make, whether or not to be offended... and again, I'm not going to speculate if his reaction was some sort of delayed epiphany or a response to his wife's reaction. On the other hand, would an "average person" be offended by that joke? I don't think the answer is cut and dry. The crux of the matter is what Will Smith should have handled the situation more calmly and logically... but the fact that he didn't signals to me that he is likely dealing with some severe issues, and more than anything I feel bad for him. Just a shitty situation all around, but interesting food for thought, for sure. |
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Post by monad on Mar 29, 2022 3:40:25 GMT
But by going on as normal? No. That's the wrong message. Completely agree. I didn't actually watch the Oscar's, but I did watch Smith's acceptance speech, and the part of the whole ordeal I found most upsetting was his lack of apology for his conduct. Again, I think this probably speaks to his issues as a person. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 4:10:23 GMT
sorry, Rock was completely within his lane by making fun of a well known, well compensated hollywood star. Smith smacked that man in the face like Rock was just a piece of dirt. WTF? Every comedian in the country should be making will smith jokes from now until this day next year I think that it's difficult to make objective judgments about something so inherently subjective, i.e. a person's emotions. Was Chris Rock's joke "appropriate?" I'm not sure Will Smith's compensation enters into it, as I don't believe one's social status has a dramatic effect on their ability to be offended or not. It was really Smith's call to make, whether or not to be offended... and again, I'm not going to speculate if his reaction was some sort of delayed epiphany or a response to his wife's reaction. On the other hand, would an "average person" be offended by that joke? I don't think the answer is cut and dry. The crux of the matter is what Will Smith should have handled the situation more calmly and logically... but the fact that he didn't signals to me that he is likely dealing with some severe issues, and more than anything I feel bad for him. Just a shitty situation all around, but interesting food for thought, for sure. I agree. Something is going on internally for him. That seemed very out of character and the fact that Chris Rock even did the joke and also laughed and looked relaxed as Will approached him tells me Will is not known for these outbursts. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 16:04:54 GMT
Kinda makes their relationship look toxic imo.it was a desperate act to show fealty or something weird. I don't think Will Smith has ever publically displayed violent or even unwholesome behavior. Really doesn't seem typical.
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Post by stu on Apr 1, 2022 19:00:11 GMT
It's been a few days, a recurrent theme on Twitter has been that white progressives have no business voicing an opinion on the Will Smith globally broadcasted slap of Chris Rock. So I wonder, is my reaction/revulsion really a reaction to a Black man doing the slapping? Is this what it comes down to?
Forget the "what about" scenarios of various races/genders etc. Am I as an old white man simply incapable of having a non racist reaction?
Are any opinions that I share thereby devoid of validity?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2022 16:19:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2022 18:07:15 GMT
That's my guess. I'm thinking a public relations person told him how to save face publicly.
I have a p.r. person. His name is Daustus. He works pro bono, unfortunately...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 0:56:14 GMT
I don't think this is a real consequence; he'll continue to act, no? I imagine he will still have a career. This will blow over. There still seems to be a lot of sympathy for him despite the criticism. |
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Post by olivetti on Apr 4, 2022 19:17:23 GMT
I think he'll have a career, but he'll have to lay low for a while. Do some indie work, make time with his family, etc. He'll then do some talkshow circuit circus stuff about his Big Return, and then he'll need a director who'll work with him to bring him up to Denzel status.
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Post by stu on Apr 9, 2022 5:25:40 GMT
Seems that one of the reasons the Academy Committee banned him for 10 years was that he did not personally contact Chris Rock to offer an apology. It is weird how Jada was punished as well. Seems she is banned for three years. (Reminiscent of the Shai Gar bannings)
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