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May 3, 2022 22:57:20 GMT
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Post by corndogman on May 3, 2022 22:57:20 GMT
I think there's a comparison to be made between abortions and public school. Public school is supposed to feed your kids because they have to be there by law. If you force births then healthcare, food, and housing have to be provided as well since (the birthed) have to be here.
From my perspective that's quite a pile of do-do they stepped in.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 1:52:16 GMT
That's an interesting thought. But I don't see any Republican taking on the responsibility of caring for more people in need.
I think overturning Roe v Wade will have a lot of unforseen consequences. How do you remain one nation when you can't guarantee everyone has the same rights everywhere? It will increase the divide significantly more than it already is. The Supreme Court would also delegitimize itself overturning nearly 50 years of established law. Because then the question is what's next if that's not settled?
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Post by stu on May 4, 2022 3:20:35 GMT
The religious anti abortionists are not concerned with child welfare or familial stability, they are concerned with getting into heaven. Abortion is against God’s law, allowing iit to be legal jeopardizes their chances of resurrection and life eternal.
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May 4, 2022 11:55:37 GMT
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Post by SPECIALEDITION on May 4, 2022 11:55:37 GMT
The religious anti abortionists are not concerned with child welfare or familial stability, they are concerned with getting into heaven. Abortion is against God’s law, allowing iit to be legal jeopardizes their chances of resurrection and life eternal. Except for the fact that the Bible actually gives instructions about how to perform an abortion.
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May 4, 2022 12:42:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 12:42:00 GMT
Well... It's not a surprise to me. I anticipated this since last year. If Republicans win they'll end the filibuster and implement a federal ban on abortion. Right now Republicans are saying it would just go back to the states..more than half of which will immediately ban abortion if Roe is overturned. But I can totally see them also banning it federally once in power. Or maybe this ruling will motivate Democrats to vote again in record numbers for the mid terms, maintaining and expanding majorities. In that case, I hope they will pack the court.
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May 4, 2022 13:02:37 GMT
Post by SPECIALEDITION on May 4, 2022 13:02:37 GMT
Putting aside for my disdain for religious people trying to impose their beliefs on other people, what makes me sick about it is the fact that they're so obsessed forcing women to be pregnant against their will but there are zero mechanisms in place to support a baby once it is born. They don't seem to care about still births, major birth defects that would cause the baby undue suffering and potential early death, ectopic pregnancies, partial miscarriages that would cause sepsis and death if not aborted, etc. This doesn't even get into the nightmare healthcare system in the USA that bankrupts people for giving birth, no paid parental leave, expensive daycare costs, low wages, etc.
They're so concerned about women being forced to be pregnant/give birth but they don't want them to use contraception. They're so pro-life that they'll burn down clinics and murder doctors. They're so pro-life that they don't give a shit about what happens to a baby once it is outside of the womb whether it kills a woman or not, whether it's born stillborn or not, whether it can even survive without extensive medical intervention or not. And God Forbid men get vasectomies.
Roe V Wade isn't even just about abortion though. This also affects same sex marriage and privacy.
If I was in a position where I was forced to be pregnant and denied medical care because the medical care would involve removing a fetus that was actually killing me I'd probably kill myself.
Now the deaths from abortion rates that have come down so much over time are going to skyrocket again as women become more and more desperate to exercise their free will and right to choose so now not only will the "baby" die, but so will countless women who feel they have no other options.
So super pro-life. So soul saving. So fucking merciless and hateful.
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May 4, 2022 13:51:31 GMT
Post by stu on May 4, 2022 13:51:31 GMT
It is about subjugation, plain and simple.
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May 4, 2022 16:04:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 16:04:51 GMT
Even if they had programs and mechanisms in place to support women forced into birthing unwanted pregnancies, I still think that's disgusting. I don't want state support I want to be left alone to make my own choices. It's ultimately about misogyny. And it's baffling to me that it's reasonable to send the issue back to states. How do you protect women's rights for 50 years then send it back to the states? I need to understand how you maintain a united nation; one country when you cannot ensure the same rights for all everywhere? Idk. I wonder if the court is getting any calls and letters. If they want to serve political and ideological interests they should be treated like politicians and the people whose rights they will be removing should be free to express their concerns. www.supremecourt.gov/contact/contactus.aspx
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May 4, 2022 23:24:52 GMT
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Post by corndogman on May 4, 2022 23:24:52 GMT
Friends, my point is that prolife is as communist as it gets.
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Post by olivetti on May 5, 2022 15:07:38 GMT
I live in a state where women's rights are getting trampled underfoot. I guarantee you things would change pretty damn quickly if men were held in equal responsibility to a child's life. If men were required to provide financial healthcare once the DNA declared, You ARE the father, we wouldn't have any issues at all.
Let's see some forced vascectomies. Let's see parents paying for their 16-year-old son's girlfriend's childcare. Let's see some of that action, eh?
C'mon, men, face your responsibility 'cause it takes two to tango.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2022 13:43:02 GMT
I agree Republicans will get their way. I keep hearing and reading that this will drive out democratic voters but now I just think even if that's the case it won't be enough. We have a system where the majority is not represented by those in office. Things tend to over compensate for the rural more conservative areas. We will probably always end up with two dipshit democrat senators who vote against what the majority of Democrats want because their district or state tend to be conservative Democrats.
I'm hoping that if a national ban takes effect, blue states will refuse to abide by the decision. At this point I am hoping for blue state secession. Ideally a peaceful secession. Let's just go our separate ways. It was nice while it lasted. The current arrangement is no longer sustainable.
A few years ago I would have said that would be a wildly radical idea. It would have been crazy to me to suggest that. Even Trump won the presidency. But I've completely lost faith in this country. A few years ago the notion that rights could be ripped away from people was preposterous to me.
Human rights are not state rights issues.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 21:55:46 GMT
Louisiana is wanting to pass legislation that would recognize personhood at fertilization. Meaning full rights for the zygote (at the expense of the mother's life.) www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/05/05/louisiana-lawmakers-advance-bill-making-abortion-homicide-even-if-roe-v-wade-isnt-overturned/So I've seen someone else online ask a really interesting question here. And that is that if a pregnant woman commits a crime, can she be charged without also charging the fetus? What about the fetus' due process rights?What if a woman becomes pregnant right before having to serve time?
What if a woman engages in risky behavior without knowing she's pregnant? Can she be charged? How do we know all the fetuses are protected? Mandated regular doctor visits? What about taxes? Can you claim your fetus?
There are a lot of really interesting thought experiments and unintended consequences to consider here.
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Post by olivetti on May 9, 2022 13:49:14 GMT
Louisiana is wanting to pass legislation that would recognize personhood at fertilization. Meaning full rights for the zygote (at the expense of the mother's life.) www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/05/05/louisiana-lawmakers-advance-bill-making-abortion-homicide-even-if-roe-v-wade-isnt-overturned/So I've seen someone else online ask a really interesting question here. And that is that if a pregnant woman commits a crime, can she be charged without also charging the fetus? What about the fetus' due process rights?What if a woman becomes pregnant right before having to serve time?
What if a woman engages in risky behavior without knowing she's pregnant? Can she be charged? How do we know all the fetuses are protected? Mandated regular doctor visits? What about taxes? Can you claim your fetus?
There are a lot of really interesting thought experiments and unintended consequences to consider here. Oh, you missed the news reports about the pregnant woman who got into a fight at a bar, and lost her unborn child when someone shot her. The person was charged with manslaughter of the foetus, although fortunately charges were dropped agains the shooter: www.npr.org/2019/07/02/737919163/alabama-woman-charged-with-intentionally-causing-her-fetus-death Expect more such nonsense cases. I don't think the court system is prepared. Not gonna apologize: Republicans are idiots.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 10:39:06 GMT
Well isn't that some shit.
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